Yet another way to be saved and a contradiction.
This seems like it could be added to the list of ways to be saved in "What the Bible says about ... Salvation." It seems like it should go under "Do the right things.", but then it might be more...
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"Imagine I calls someone a toidi for not being able toidi" And you are calling people out on linguistics!
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utopian indigent wrote: Let me try to explain this in another way, as if to a youngster. Imagine I (or whoever) calls someone a toidi for not being able to discern the difference between the verbs...
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Imagine I (or whoever) calls someone a toidi in order for this analogy to be relevant, you'd have to be the God of toidi (not a great stretch, i admit) Does that mean that the calling moment was the...
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jeff wrote: in order for this analogy to be relevant, you'd have to be the God of toidi (not a great stretch, i admit) Typical incompetent logic. The word toidi has replaced the phrase "child of God"...
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sigh, the caller is god. got a good reason why it isn't? Got a good reason why it is? Sighing and asserting contextuality doesn't cut it. Blessed [are] the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of...
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"you'd have to be the god of toidi because you are the caller (see above)" No, you don't. Your linguistic construction reads God of the God of the toidi, which doesn't make sense. In Matt 3:17 God...
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"you'd have to be the god of toidi because you are the caller (see above)" No, you don't. Your linguistic construction reads God of the God of the toidi, which doesn't make sense. toidi = "the...
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"b) the question is how one achieves salvation, not when c) the point to the quote is that God is well pleased, not that Christ had achieved salvation " Actually, the question of timing is crucial as...
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Actually, the question of timing is crucial as the peacemakers could've become saved at any moment before becoming peacemakers. yes, i said this myself some posts ago:j - if there are other ways to be...
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"if there are other ways to be called a toidi, then the someone could be a toidi prior " Exactly. There is no reason to be believe that someone could not have been a child of God before being a...
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Exactly. There is no reason to be believe that someone could not have been a child of God before being a peacemaker. It (peacemaker is the moment of salvation) is an unfounded assumption pointed out...
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"It (peacemaker is the moment of salvation) is an unfounded assumption pointed out over and over on this thread. not an assumption that i've made, clearly. " But if you don't assume that being a...
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Ah, I think I get it. People get saved repeatedly. Regardless of whether they're saved or not, they become saved again anyway by being peacemakers. Multiple salvations, a novel concept. how about...
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"how about multiple paths to salvation?" That would contradict various other passages. In context therefore, there should be some substantiation to multiple paths, and the beautitudes don't clearly...
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"how about multiple paths to salvation?" That would contradict various other passages. contradictions in the bible? goodness! "i wonder if you could address the question of why we shouldn't...
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Yes, I agree, we need a thread on salvation by faith-evidenced-by-works, as the beautitudes clearly are not ways to get saved.
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utopian indigent wrote: Yes, I agree, we need a thread on salvation by faith-evidenced-by-works, as the beautitudes clearly are not ways to get saved. Or salvation by dogma. Some say salvation is by...
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Paul says it's by faith alone. But yes, that contrast (faith vs works) has been debated for 2000 years and is worth a thread. Then at least we'd be wasting our energies and insights on worthwhile...
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Some say salvation is by faith alone, some by predistination , and other by works/faith. Yeah. That's interesting, when God is purported to not be the "author of confusion," a la 1 Corinthians 14. So...
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